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Should loaded guns be allowed in cars on school grounds? A bill upcoming in the AZ Senate says yes. More details in comments

Dana Chiueh Staff Member
The bill, introduced by Republican legislator Jacqueline Parker, passed the House March 3 and will be up for debate at the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday. Parker says the bill "simply allows legally armed people to leave their weapons loaded while they pick up their children at school." Opposition are concerned that the bill would violate new federal rules making schools gun-free zones, as well as endangering Arizona's children. What do you think?
Kurt Obermeier
As long as it is under the control of a person legally allowed to carry it, out of sight and in a locked vehicle once the person who owns it exits the vehicle, I see no problem with it. Teachers should not be forced to leave their personal protection weapon at home.
Wayne Switzer
Good question. It seems the Arizona legislature doesn't have enough to do. Perhaps we (after I move back) should amend the constitution so it works like North Dakota, Montana and several neighboring states: term limits, and citizen legislators. Those two states have the legislature meet EVERY OTHER YEAR and the session is limited to 3 months maximum. No silly meddling legislation, just pass a budget and then go home to their other jobs. Sorry folks a little cranky today as I'm in the midst of my relocation from Texas to Idaho - packing out, Texas end of the move still.
Michael F.S.W. Morrison
Wayne Switzer -- having ignorantly moved to North (brrrrr) Dakota several years ago -- not quite long enough ago for the nightmares to have stopped -- I can add a couple items: It has a wonderful measure called "referral." When the silly bleeps in the legislature -- and every legislature seems to be infested with them -- pass bad bills, the people can petition to put them on the ballot for approval or deletion.
Referral should be added to every state's code, along with recall and referendum.
Ideally, the elected officials should simply keep their oaths and obey the Constitution and their respective state constitutions. Alas, they seldom do.
Good luck in your move. I've just moved across town and, oy, what a pain in the anatomy even a short move is.
Michael F.S.W. Morrison
Kurt Obermeier -- according to the U.S. Constitution, EACH of us is "legally allowed to carry."
I refer to my long statement: Guns are inanimate objects. In a free society, a human being has inalienable rights, and those rights include the right to own anything, tools, Bibles, magazines, vegetation, anything honestly acquired.
Kurt Obermeier
Michael F.S.W. Morrison I agree with your sentiment however I also believe there must be common sense limitation on what we have a right to own. I'm sure you can think of a few things we would not like to see our neighbors owning. The trick is in deciding where to draw the line.
Michael F.S.W. Morrison
Kurt Obermeier -- yes, I can think of a few things I'd prefer nobody living near me own: gasoline-powered leaf-blowers that make noise before, say, 11 a.m.; or radio receivers that pick up and loudly broadcast the garbage known as "rap"; yard-signs supporting candidates who promise to steal my money (if I ever had any) and restrict my rights; automobiles equipped with non-working mufflers or bumper-stickers supporting the above-mentioned candidates; teenagers who smoke and drink and make noise.
But my opinions are not good enough -- however wise and correct -- to be given the force of law.
I repeat: any person has the human right to own anything he has acquired honestly. He does not have a human right to use any item, whether auto, leaf-blower, gun, or Bible, in such a way to deprive others of genuine human rights.
But, Kurt, we start down that proverbial slippery slope when we begin to use such a nebulous term as "common sense," whether limitation or forcible participation.
I bet you began to regret your use of "common sense" about as soon as the electrons stopped whirling: How common is common sense?
Rights never conflict. Wishes and desires might, but rights never.
Rights are to one's own life, including liberty and property.
One's rights do not require another person to give up money or time or anything else.
Happy Sunday to you and thank you for your response. We need more civil and intelligent conversation.
Wayne Switzer
Michael F.S.W. Morrison yes, BRRRRRR! Like any good Arizonan I packed an emergency kit in my car in case I got stranded. In February. Silly me, I found out the flat of bottled water froze solid in for hours. Didn't thaw till May. But that's not my main question. Have you ever figured out the answer to 'Why not Minot?' I can't think of a good reason for why Minot in the first place let alone why n
Michael F.S.W. Morrison
Wayne Switzer -- In fact, I can think of several dozen reasons Why Not Minot?
And I well remember foolishly leaving something liquid in my car, having it freeze, burst whatever the container was, and eventually making an awful mess.
Yes, we had some unusually warm days here this past summer, but I was thankful for them: the last ice chips in my blood stream finally melted.
And if I were in charge, yes, I'd keep our weather like that a friend in Costa Rica brags about, 72 degrees F all year.
But I do appreciate the weather here, and the scenery, and the truly exceptional people.
Good luck in Idaho, and better luck in coming back.
Ned Letto
What is pictured here is nothing more than a pellet gun.

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